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eBay Les Paul Guitar Kit Review Part 2

Ever get into a conversation and someplace in the middle of it you realize it’s a complete waste of your time?

 Les Paul Guitar Kit Review
Part 2 | Made in China.

So… This is the continuing saga of The eBay DIY unfinished Set Neck LP Guitar Kit Review that i just did a little while back (August 10, 2011) here…

When the supplier of this kit was notified that it had been reviewed and received a less than stellar report on the quality of their product, well, lets just say they went kind of Ape $H!T … I guess the best way to explain is simply to publish the email exchange between them and me. It was necessary for me to put these in order because the never responded to my emails or replies directly but sent a new message each time via my form mailer… So here it is:

Original Message that started the conversation about the guitar kit:

Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 17:41:19 -0700
RE: high quality Unfinished electric guitar body with neck
 的物品寄出?

Subject: Re: Item I received is not as described: dcphotograhy sent a message about high quality Unfinished electric guitar body with neck #260825014778
Hello I have reviewd your product on my website and I’m afraid what it comes down to is:

Extremely Poor Quality Material and Craftsmanship. You can read the review Here:

http://youknowfuckall.com/2011/08/10/chinese-diy-les-paul-kit-reviews/

I Will be leaving negative feed back: “Extremely Poor Quality Material and Craftsmanship”.

Subject: Re: Item I received is not as described: dcphotograhy sent a message about high quality Unfinished electric guitar body with neck #260825014778

Dear friend
We give you high quality guitar kit!!! at very good price! I dont understand
???????????????????

music.song,您好!

Subject: Re: Item I received is not as described: dcphotography sent a message about high quality Unfinished electric guitar body with neck #260825014778

No… This is not a “High Quality Unfinished electric guitar body with neck” this is very poor quality… Basically you sent me a pile of wood pieced together in the shape of a guitar.

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Via Direct E-Mail:

Dear friend
We send you almost free guitar you must take this off of this american website we demand you you slandered here
Song

Hello,
 This review is an accurate and impartial description and these are un-manipulated photographs  of the actual product you sent to me though eBay.
Best Regards,
The Village Idiot
 

Dear friend
We has sent the email to you! do you receive my last message?
please send the photos of the Extremely Poor Quality Material and Craftsmanship to me! We can send back your money to you!
We just want you to give me a good feedback!
Thank you again!
Song

Dear thevillageidiot,

Are you an honest man or You are a thief and liar wanting free product and sendig us bad feedback threats????

You send it back and we will refund it now

Hello Again,

Like I said the review with images is here: http://youknowfuckall.com/2011/08/10/chinese-diy-les-paul-kit-reviews/

Best Regards,
The Village Idiot

 Dear friend

Thanks for your message.
My friend! If you are not satisfied with our products,please send back to me by Cheap transport.We give you a full refund! okay? And you remove this pictures? okay?
Thanks

music.song

Hello,

Is this the same Music.Song? This would be easier if you sent replies to my emails rather than a new message every time.

I am not interested in sending this kit back for a refund,, it isn’t worth my time.

The review posted here stands… That is the purpose of this review… An honest assessment of the quality a buyer can expect when purchasing your guitar kit off of eBay.

By the way the listing said this also included tuning pegs and strings and they were not sent.

Best Regards,
The Village Idiot

Dear friend
I’m very sorry!!!
This really is our fault!!!We forget to put the pegs and stringt in the!!!
My friend! If you agree and we will send them to you?by EMS!!! okay?
Very sorry again!
Yours?
Song
?

Hello Again,

I don’t want the machine heads or strings but thank you.

Best Regards,
The Village Idiot

Dear?my friend
we will send back 50USD to you!!! and send the pegs and string to you at today!!
We just want you to give us a good feedback!!! and remove the pictures okay?
Thank you!
Yours
Song
?

Hello Again, …Again

I don’t want the machine heads or strings but thank you.

Refunding $50 would be a nice thing for you to do but, I will not remove the review and can not in good conscience leave positive feed back on eBay.

Best Regards,
The Village Idiot

Dear friend
Thanks?for your reply!!!
My friend! We sincerely hope that you? can give us a good feedback,ok? We will return?50USD to ?your paypal address!! and send the pegs and string.to you!!! We just hope that a positive feedback!!!
Because eBay on China ‘s account is very demanding! Because we have two intermediate evaluation, our account will be freeze for a month!! We sincerely hope that you can understand our!!
Thank you very much+My best regards!
From China’s friend!!!

Song huichao
?

Hello Again,

Okay here is the deal… If you send another unfinished guitar that is of the “High Quality” you described I will append (not change) my review and will leave feed back on eBay reflecting my opinion of  that kit.

Best Regards,
The Village Idiot

Dear my friend!!!
We do not understand what you mean?? 🙂
Do You want us to send New high quality body and neck to you? Is that right?
Please forgive my bad English!!!Because the rest of my translator today!!!
Many thanks and best regards
Yours
Song

?

 Hello,

Yes if you would like to send a better example of your product I will append my review and leave feedback that reflects the quality of the unfinished guitar you send instead of the one you already sent.

Best Regards,
The Village Idiot

 

(not Dear Friend?)Hello again!
If you keep this guitar, we give you 50 dollars back,after you leave us good feedbak and remove the slander can you accept?
Thank you
? music.song

 Hello,

Are there two of you talking to me here? If so please forward my replies to your counterpart.

Like I said:

“If you would like to send a better example of your product I will append my review and leave feedback that reflects the quality of the unfinished guitar you send instead of the one you already sent.”

Best Regards,
The Village Idiot

Dear thevillageidiot,

Dear friend
I’m sorry! we can send?back your money to you!!!
? music.song???????????????????

Hello,

Fine… Go ahead and send the money back. The review stays but I will not leave any feedback on eBay.

Best Regards,
The Village Idiot
 At this point the messages simply restated everything over and over for another 67 emails… Rather boring.
 Then it heated up a bit:

Dear thevillageidiot,

We offer you keep this guitar, we give you 50 dollars back,can you accept?
We offer you and send the pegs and string.to you and us to send New high quality body and neck to you? and you not happy you just don’t like chineese and rip us off nothing makes you happy
?       music.song

 

 Hello,

What do you mean? I love the Chinese! and I’m very happy

You sent me a pile of junk and I got to honestly review it… And that was the whole point of this in the first place… That’s what I do.

Not only that but you (and your friend?) have provided me with at least 2 hours of entertainment here via email.

Best Regards,
The Village Idiot

Dear friend
I’m very sorry!!!
This really is our fault!!!We forget to put the pegs and stringt in the!!!
My friend! If you agree and we will send them to you?by EMS!!! okay?
Very sorry again!
Yours?
Song
?

Dear friend
Yes,we has sent?another body and neck?to you! the EMS No is ee388186835cn.
Thanks
?

Dear thevillageidiotdepot,

Hello
We has sent the new body and neck to you by EMS,the EMS No is ee388186835cn.If you have any question,please contact me again!
Thank you!
? 

Dear thevillageidiotdepot,

?Hello again my friend
Okay!
thanks

 And today this shows up on my door step:
guitar kit from china
Another Guitar Kit From China

Unfinished LP Style Guitar Kit from China

 

 I unpacked it and set it out to photograph next to the last one they sent.

Chinese guitar kit
They did send two sets of strings and some tuners (Tuners missing the screws and bushings though)

 

Nothing new to say… Here are some pictures of the second unfinished kit sent:

 

lp kit from China body binding
The binding looks like this all the way around.

 

Chinese Unfinished Guitar from eBay
And this Gap… Is pretty much the same (not sanded through anywhere though).
Set neck China Les Paul Kit Tenon
The Neck Pocket is Way Crooked… But that’s okay because the neck is twisted the other way.
Chinese unfinished guitar neck
Come on… Really?

Everything else is the same… Weird angled multi pieced together poor grade wood with lots of spots filled with putty, and the workmanship is very poor… Very, poor.  All things considered I have to say that all these kits are junk. I have to assume that this kit was carefully selected by the seller in order to represent the best they could do… If not I just don’t know what they are thinking… But then, they are Chinese… Not that I am being a bigot…

You must admit it is difficult at best to undestand why they do what they do.

Chinese Restaurant that does not serve Cat?
Does anyone know what they were thinking here?

 

See:  No… Really eBay Guitar Kits Part 3

 

 

 

18 thoughts on “eBay Les Paul Guitar Kit Review Part 2

  1. hahahaha oh I’ve had that before with them people.they are so shamelessly shady it’s actually sickening.I’ve bought stuff before off a,dare I say white appearing store,only to have it show up from china and be emailed dribble excuses as to why this maple neck is rosewood and a 16″ radius with massive jumbo frets.
    good information to have though! keep it up I like they articulate way you told them to go get %*#3! too.

    1. I’m actually kind of blown away by the fact that the second kit was even more so fatally flawed (twist in the neck and the neck pocket off line with the body center) than the first kit they sent… Even knowing that a review was being published.

      I don’t know maybe the first neck on the second body would work with some major shimming and cutting on the tenon but it would still be a crap guitar…

      I forgot to mention (wouldn’t mean much to most readers) but the first kit weighed in at 11 lbs 4 oz and the second kit came in at an even 12 lbs.

      At any rate I’m thinking my job is done… I don’t think I really want to start up the conversation with them again.

  2. I think you provided some very informative information. However, I didn’t find the quality all that surprising for Chinese craftsmanship.

    Overall I feel you got what you paid for. If you were expecting a turn key project, you’re not going to get it for $70. Things like having to fit the neck is a give me. How much fitting? It’s a crap shoot. Anytime you see a veneer top, it’s hiding lower quality multi piece body/tops underneath. Even if the veneer had been better fitted it still doesn’t come close to a solid top. Most Chinese set necks are 3 pieces so no surprise there. I’m also finding punky wood to be common in Chinese builds.

    I think the seller tried their best to resolve your issues but your expectations were too high. In your defense, I don’t find this slanderous but very good information for anyone thinking about buying Chinese kits or complete guitars.

    1. I knew going into this review that we weren’t going to be looking at a fine example of luthierie… And yeah $70 bucks (and shipping) isn’t a kings ransom by far.

      However…

      I probably didn’t emphasize this enough or state it clearly enough In both articles and it was just about the last points I made.

      The first kit’s neck was “hollow” and the mahogany under the fret board was spongee enough to flex in your hand… Actually you could stick your finger through the side all the way back to the 12th fret.

      And the neck on the second kit is “twisted”… Basically bowed to the bass side by a good half inch.

      Just these faults are more than enough to condemn these kits to the band saw.

  3. Sometimes it’s hard to determine the author’s point of reference. After a little further reading I see you’re not a stranger to Chinese workmanship.

    The quality of the body I would say is about correct for the price. I would say the neck is on par up until the point of it being made with a bunch of punky wood and twisted. I would expect a couple isolated spots but nothing major. Sounds like if they can offer a usable neck the kit might be work looking at.

    There are some Chinese vendors offering a good value but unfortunately there are a lot that aren’t.

    1. Yeah, if the second kit had a usable neck I’d of said “fair enough”…

      Honestly I’m not out looking to condemn all the Chinese manufactures… The LP-S Kits available from Bulldog are pretty nice for the price and I’m sure they are of Asian origin.

      The LP- Solid top from Jay at Bulldogbodies.com I reviewed here turned out to be a really (I mean REALLY) nice instrument (granted it cost 4 times more than this eBay kit).

  4. @ PT Ray: Um…let’s see…you’re defending the quality of this kit based on it’s price, your point being I assume that since the price for the kit is so low it’s basically implicit that a lot of work will be required to make it into a playable guitar. There’s a point being missed here. Based on the information being given here it appears that regardless of the amount of labor invested the basic material of the kit is junk, therefore the kit is worth precisely nothing since it can’t be used to make a playable guitar. Therefore I would say that TVI overpaid for the kit by 100% minus the value as firewood.

    1. Bill,

      A lot of the details pointed out would fall under cosmetic and not necessarily has to do with playability. The poor cut veneer and matched wood, gaps in the binding, excess glue, multi piece body, top and neck and so forth. These issues can be addressed in the finishing process. I’m saying this type of workmanship should not be a surprise when dealing with a bottom dollar Chinese kit.

      If the neck is useless, then yes the kit has no value as it won’t serve it’s intended purpose. There’s no defending that.

      1. Really… If I had a neck here that wasn’t either hollow or bent sideways I’d have myself a 21lb, Dark back, Kermit the Frog Green Top Les Paul in a few weeks (time permitting)…

        … Maybe I’ll make a clock or something out of them someday.

  5. I think the restaurant sign means “No, we haven’t seen your cat, please quit asking.”

    The guitar kit isn’t good at all. It is really cheaper to buy a Fender Squier Strat, or Peavey at a pawn shop. Then strip it down, then re-finish & customize to taste. That’s what we did.

    Jack

    1. Hey Jack,

      Yes… I’m sure you are correct about what the sign says. And yes… It would be a heck of a lot cheaper to refinish a cheap Strat…

      Heck… it would be cheaper to buy a new American Standard Stratocaster than to build a Les Paul from a kit…

  6. Thanks for posting this review and saving me from spending $100 on firewood. Given that $100 buys in China what $1000 would here (outside Shanghai and Beijing), they should be able to produce something better than that for the price.

  7. Hey all,

    It’s now been a year since the last reply on this blog, but can we say anything has changed in cheap quality builds from China?

    I would like to add one point to this post, and that is this: From the start the guitar was advertized as “High Quality Unfinished electric guitar body with neck” – so even if he paid $5 American for it he would be well within his rights to slam the poor workmanship….

    Sometimes we forget what eBay is meant to be (and what it started out as) which is a place to sell things at any price….hence bidding…

    This guitar at bid could have sold for $500 (lol) and then I bet some of the replies in this post would be vastly different.

    Anyway – from researching builds that I want to do it seems apparent if you want to spend $120 – $200 on a build you may get less than you hoped for… The bulldog builds certainly seem to be quality and possibly worth the money if you already had the paint/lacquer and hardware.

  8. Thats what you get for being a cheapskate,nuff said.
    C’mon…seriously,did you expect to get “high quality”for peanuts…duh??
    Even Gibson makes crappy USD2000 les pauls.
    Wake up and smell the feces,stop blackmailing the vendor.

    1. Well with a name like “Yes to Capitol Punishment” you were bound to miss the more esoteric humor and other reasons this happened at all… I wasn’t so much reviewing the firewood as I was…

      Meh…

      Phuck it…

      You won’t get it no matter how simply its put.

      (Yes to Capital punishment (IP: 202.140.108.87 , m202-140-108-87.smartone.com.hk)

      Yeah for China.

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